U.P. (Unbeaten Path) combines a performance-oriented cross/road geometry & parts with clearance for mountain bike tires. So you can ride anywhere, and ride fast.

Get out of town on asphalt, hit the gravel roads or switch to singletrack. The geometry gets you there fast; the big tires make you unstoppable.

Reviews & Awards

We’re honored that so many people believe in the direction the U.P. is taking. Most importantly of course our customers, but also the people behind the following awards and publications:

Eurobike Gold Award

“Apart from the frame’s attractive, eye-catching design, this cross bike’s open concept is value for money because it allows the attachment of different wheel sizes and types of tyre. Therefore, the U.P. is especially good at handling different sorts of terrain.”

Design & Innovation Gold Award

“In these exciting times, bikes are blurring the lines between the traditional definitions […] One perfect example is the new Open U.P., the ‘Unbeaten Path’– a bike defined as “GravelPlus,” but which offers so much more.

The design is beautifully crafted: a dropped chainstay allows for a super-compact 420 mm rear end, resulting in stiff and responsive power transfer, while ultra-thin seatstays add a degree of vertical compliance.

With relaxed and versatile geometry, the Open U.P. is more than a blending of genres, it’s a study in versatility offering endless possibilities, carving out a unique identity all its own. Never have the polar-opposite worlds of mountain biking and road biking been so connected.”

Road Bike Action Magazine

“With a frame design unlike any other that maximizes its versatility for both on- and off-road use, Gerard Vroomen engineered the best gravel bike to date.”

Outside Magazine Road bike of the Year

“… adventure road and gravel bikes, a segment that continues to expand. We have half a dozen in the test this year, and they continue to become lighter and more refined over previous year’s iterations. The most promising of the fleet is the Open Unbeaten Path with geometry that makes it plenty comfortable on the pavement but optimized for very large tires. That makes this possibly the most versatile road bike out there as it can move seamlessly from group rides in a peloton to proper singletrack. There’s no consensus from testers yet about which wheel size they prefer.

The UP finally fulfills the promise of mixed-surface bikes, and we hope that other manufacturers will take note.”

Peloton Magazine

“What is truly amazing is the attention Open paid to making it work exceptionally well is making [the U.P.] work exceptionally well in every one of these configurations. The U.P. doesn’t just accept these different [wheel/tire] standards - each feel native.

Of course, their stated motto is ‘Working hard to stay small’. The quality and versatility of the Open U.P. might make that very difficult.”

Tour magazin

“The compact build and the weight of barely 8kg give the bike an agility you don’t expect with these big tires.

This bike exceeded my already high expectations.

An incredible bike. Despite the mountain bike tires, you feel like you’re riding a road bike.

Innovative frame concept, smart details, light. With this versatility, the U.P. will likely offer an important push to the development of all gravel bikes.”

Cyclist Magazine UK

“I’ve ridden other gravel bikes before and have often felt they compromise too much in the search for versatility – being sometimes sluggish on tarmac yet not quite capable of handling more technical trails. With 2.1-inch tyres and a light and stiff build, the UP is very different.

A lot of brands so far have seen the possibilities for widening the scope of road riding, with slacker geometries, and the increased tyre clearance made possible by disc brakes. Yet Open has seemingly sprung light years ahead, fully realising the potential of modern tyre, wheel and frame technology. This is truly a rare and exceptional bike, and one that has literally broken new ground.”


“I immediately noticed how fast the bike was off the line. As expected, the carbon was stiff and responsive, applying force directly from pedal to pavement. The bike rocketed around town and to the trailhead much more aggressively than a mountain bike.

Once on the gravel, the bike flowed into its comfort zone. With less aggressive geometry than a true cyclocross bike, it churned through the miles in comfort and inspired 'one more detour before we go home' type riding.”

For all other U.P. reviews and tests, please refer to the Reviews section at the bottom of this page.

Tire clearance

The U.P. fits mountain bike tires up to 2.1” wide. But you can also fit a 40mm cross tire, or a 28mm road tire, or anything else in-between (exact tire sizes depend on manufacturing tolerances and rim width, so this is a guideline. Always make sure you have 6mm clearance between tire and frame).

How do we fit such a wide range of tires without affecting the handling? Let's start with the numbers; below is the outside radius for various wheel+tire combos:

341mm700c/29er28mm road
344mm700c/29er32mm cross
350mm700c/29er40mm cross
342mm650b/27.5"2.1" mtb
365mm700c/29er2.1" mtb

As you can see, the top-4 wheel+tire combos (700c cross/road tires and 650b mountain bike tire) are very close in radius, the bottom one (the 29er mountain bike tire) is way off.

So you’ll hardly notice a difference in geometry swapping 700c cross/road and 650b mountain bike tires on the U.P., while 29er tires would make a total mess of the handling.

There is a second reason we designed for 650b and not 29er tires. They would require very long chainstays, while the U.P. now sports a very short 420mm rear end. Most gravel and cross bikes have longer chainstays than that yet they can't fit anywhere near the same size of tire.

Crank clearance

Behind the bottom bracket, the chainrings, frame and tire all fight for space. And with the need to fit big mountain bike tires and narrow Q-factor cross/road cranks & chainrings, the U.P. presents the toughest possible packaging problem.

Dropping the right chainstay moves it out of this crowded area, allowing it to be wider and therefore stiffer (a huge effect; with the same amount of material, twice the width will give you eight times the stiffness!).

TRCinTRS™ technology

“100% hi-modulus carbon”, “aero-space grade”, etc. Useless – and hopefully false (we’ll get to that) – claims meant to impress you.

It’s not about high- or low-modulus, it’s about the right carbon in the right spot. And because the bike industry loves techie-sounding abbreviations, we’ll humor them and call it TRCinTRS™.

Fact: stiffer carbon is more brittle. Strategically placed ultra-high-modulus carbon is a good idea. Making the whole headtube out of it when you have big impact loads is not!

The best lay-up is not 100% of one modulus; it’s a blend. We use the highest modulus (stiffest) carbon of any bike manufacturer where we can, and tougher grades of carbon where we must. That’s how our frames are both light and durable.


The rear triangle has to provide lateral stiffness for an efficient drive train, but vertical compliance for better comfort. The U.P. features chainstays and seatstays that are extremely thin vertically to provide that compliance, while their lateral width and layup ensure rock-solid propulsion. Truly the best of both worlds.

Flat-out downtube

The downtube is the key for stiffness, connecting the steering center of your frame with the drivetrain. The flat-out downtube’s characteristically flat outside faces allow us to strategically place strips of ultra-high modulus carbon far away from the center plane. The stiffest carbon exactly where it matters, guaranteed!

Zero-setback seattube

With a minimalist 27.2mm diameter we maximize the flex in our seatpost & seattube. This is especially a big plus on rough terrain. The seattube angle is designed around the use of a straight, zero-setback seatpost rather than a regular seatpost with setback (we’ve never understood those). Zero-setback posts are lighter, saving you another 10-30 grams (every little bit helps and you can then put that saved weight into a 500g saddle like the Brooks!).

Fully-internal cables/hoses

External cables & hoses collect dirt, risk getting stuck behind objects (particularly expensive with electronic shifting) and frankly, they are ugly. So the U.P. runs them internally.

With our proven MultiStop design, you can customize the frame for 2x10/11, 1x10/11 and Di2 shifting. Just pick the right insert. In case you run a single chainring, you can also remove the front derailleur hanger to further clean up the frame.

ThruThread dropouts

Most thru-axle frames are heavier than quick-release frames. Extra carbon for the dropouts, heavy hangers, and the axle itself. But they are stiffer, So what do you want most? The answer for most people is “both”, and so we introduce the first frames that combine a thru-axle with a lower weight. How?

The ThruThread design uses the same threads that hold the thru-axle to lock the derailleur hanger into the frame. Simple, light, effective.

We didn’t just redesign the dropout, the entire seatstay and chainstay design is optimized with the added stiffness of the thru-axle in mind. For the thru-axle itself, we recommend the stiffest design available, the Syntace X-12, but you are free to use a different 12mm thru-axle if you want.

Toptube bag mount

For handy storage of your phone, camera, some tools or food, you can use the toptube bag mounts. It fits the standard toptube bags from for example Dark Speed Works and XLab as well as dedicated ruggedized bags from for example Revelate Designs.

SafePost™ Pilot hole

Seatposts usually indicate a minimum insertion dimension. That keeps the seatPOST safe, but it’s also important that the seatTUBE is supported properly. The minimum insertion for that is indicated by the SafePost Pilot hole.

Bottom bracket

The U.P. uses the 386 EVO bottom bracket standard. The wide (86mm) BB shell is perfect to attach the dropped drive-side chainstay to. Furthermore, it fits most of the cranks on the market, from Shimano, Campagnolo and SRAM but also smaller brands like THM, Rotor and RaceFace. 386 EVO even allows for the installation of many mountain bike cranks.


Clearance for cross, road and mountain bike tires, a cross/road position and compatibility with cross/road & mountain bike drivetrains make the U.P. geometry the most complicated we’ve ever worked on. But we’re ecstatic about the result.

Keep in mind that the seattube is designed to be offset, so that your seatpost doesn't have to be. This saves a bit of weight. It also means that the toptube length appears a bit longer than the frame really is, yet another reason why toptube length is a bad measurement to rely on. Best to use stack and reach.

5’2" - 5’8"
5’7" - 5’11"
5’10" - 6’3"
6’2" - 6’7"
¹These suggested rider heights are approximations, there is no substitute for a complete fit analysis including several body dimensions or the measurements of the current set-up of your gravel/cross/road bike.
²Standover height is measured to the top of the toptube directly above the bottom bracket and depends slightly on the exact tire size used.

As you can see, the chainstays are quite short for a cross/gravel bike, despite the ability to fit the massive 54mm tires in. That's one of the benefits of the dropped drive-side chainstay.

If you have any questions about the geometry or would like us to give you advice on which size would best fit you, just go ahead and send Gerard an email.


Frame:OPEN U.P.
Frame sizes:S, M, L, XL
Frame weight:1150g (size L)
Fork:3T Luteus II Team with 15mm thru axle (included)
Colour:Orange (white logos), Brown regular (white logos), Brown Steve Hed Special Edition (cyan blue logos, numbered & limited to 20+2 pieces, sold with HED Ardennes)
BB std:BB386EVO
Chainring fit:
NOTE: For single chainring set-ups, we recommend flat rings, not offset rings, for the best chainline. For "regular" oval rings, deduct 2 teeth from the below spec. For extreme oval rings, who knows.
Max inner ring: 36t
Max outer ring: 50t (more is overkill with the bigger tires)
Max single ring: 46t (offset rings like SRAM 1x)
Max single ring: 50t (flat rings, better cassette alignment)
Headset std:Integrated Tapered IS42/28.6 | IS52/40
Seatpost Ø:27.2mm
Rear axle std:142x12mm thru axle
Rear brake std:Post mount for 160mm disc
Cable routing:Internal via exchangeable MultiStops for 1x10/11, 2x10/11, Di2
Bag mount:100mm front-post-to-bearing-bore-edge
Incl. in box:Frame, fork, headset, seattube collar, front & rear thru-axle, 2 rear derailleur hangers, 1 removable front derailleur mount, cover bolts for front derailleur mount posts, 3 MultiStops (2x, 1x, Di2), chainstay cable exit stop, BB guide, cable sleeves, noise-reduction foam sleeves, bottle cage bolts, manual
Frameset Price
(excl. sales tax)
$2,900 USD



Comments & Questions

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Just got mine last week after an initial fitting and then another at delivery time , from The Eleven. A very professional experience at the store which nailed my decision to purchase my Open. I've been road biking for pleasure and fitness doing 80-100 km rides regularly for the past 40 years and this bike is such a pleasure to ride. Very responsive and beautifully finished , the Di2 system is amazing ! I can only assume as I become more accustomed to the Open UP I will enjoy the bike even more.
Post #1 of 170. Posted by Robert Kennedy on 02-May-2016 22:06:58 GMT [0<--631]
Hi Robert. Happy trails enjoy it
Post #19 of 170. Posted by Andy Kessler on 21-Jun-2016 10:31:10 GMT [631<--740]
mudguard option on this bike ?
Post #2 of 170. Posted by Najib on 12-May-2016 08:51:02 GMT [0<--658]
Clip on mudguards are an option, just make sure you keep enough clearance with the tires.
Post #3 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 13-May-2016 00:21:35 GMT [658<--661]
As we enter into rainy & winter seasons for many of us, have you tried various clip on fenders/mudguards to see what works (and just as importantly what doesn't work) out of the box without MacGyvering them given the relatively unique fork on the Open UP so that lots of your early adopters don't each have to do a bunch of trial and error? I'm interested in ones that will work with 700 tires with 35-40mm widths.
Post #146 of 170. Posted by Brian on 09-Oct-2016 10:17:26 GMT [661<--1024]
Well to be honest, I'm more a good shoe cover + ass saver kind of guy. One thing I can tell you though, in the rear no full fender will work with a TRUE 40mm tire, there won't be space between tire and seat tube. With a "40mm" tire that is really smaller (that includes most "40mm" tires), you may have space.
Post #147 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 09-Oct-2016 14:54:51 GMT [1024<--1026]
What's the wheelbase on the Large? Is this a more stable ride than most cycle cross bikes?
Post #4 of 170. Posted by on 20-May-2016 21:23:49 GMT [0<--689]
988mm. What does stable mean for you? Lots of different definitions so if you let me know what you mean by that, I'll try to answer the best I can.
Post #6 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 26-May-2016 16:26:49 GMT [689<--703]
I ride a road bike with a lower bottom bracket, longer chain stays, fork rake, etc. The wheelbase is 101 cm. I used to ride a Cervelo Soloist and loved it in certain conditions. But the steering was too quick for me, and I was not confident on high speed descents. I like the longer wheel base of endurance geometries. I understand most cross bikes have a higher bottom bracket. The U.P. has a lower BB, but the chain stays are shorter. I'm curious about the ride characteristics and have not seen much commentary related to that. Thanks for your help.
Post #8 of 170. Posted by Guy Hummel on 31-May-2016 12:19:21 GMT [703<--709]
Hi Guy, rather than hearing from me, you'll see quite a few comments on the geometry and the handling in the reviews section on this page. I know some people are skeptical about magazine reviews and how they may be influenced by advertising (in general I don't find that to be the case but it does happen), but remember that we do not do ANY advertising, so we didn't "buy" any of those reviews. And most are pretty positive (actually extremely positive) about the handling. If you read the latest reviews (listed on the top), those are the most in-depth as they are several long-term reviews. And if you read German, I would really suggest the TOUR review.
Post #9 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 01-Jun-2016 17:48:33 GMT [709<--716]
what is the wheelbase for size medium?
Post #18 of 170. Posted by nolan g. on 16-Jun-2016 23:47:21 GMT [703<--737]
1008mm, see last column of the geometry chart.
Post #20 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 22-Jun-2016 14:49:46 GMT [737<--746]
Hi Gerard/Andy,
I see quite some pictures of an UP frameset with the new Lauf Grit suspension fork.
Will this fork work with the UP regarding geometry, or asked in a different way will it change the riding behavior in a negative manner?
Are there plans to have a complete set with the Lauf fork instead of the standard 3T Luteus? And if so, will it be already in the orange/brown custom color?
I know it will take a few months before Lauf will be able to deliver the forks, but I am planning on building my UP in Q3 of this year.

Thanks and loving your work,

Michiel Janssen
Post #5 of 170. Posted by on 24-May-2016 17:19:32 GMT [0<--699]
Hi Michiel, yes, you can fit the Lauf Grit on the UP no problem. Andy is just building up a new bike with it, so expect some more feedback on it soon. It's unlikely that a frameset including the Grit would be offered in a color-matched way, the logistics of that are just not fun :-). but Lauf does seem to make the black fork with orange accents that is a good match for the UP.
Post #7 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 26-May-2016 16:28:23 GMT [699<--704]
if an axel is provided how does the existing wheel axel is there a video on how to deal with rear wheel changes?
Post #10 of 170. Posted by on 03-Jun-2016 17:34:03 GMT [0<--720]
Hi there, I am not sure I understand the question. The 12mm Syntax X-12 rear thru-axle is included, so any 142x12mm thru-axle compatible wheel you have, you pop it in there and then put the X-12 through. Although there are different 12 mm axle standards, this does not matter for the wheel. All 142x12mm wheels are compatible. The fact that there are different 12 mm axles only affects how they connect with the frame, so that's not a worry for the wheel.
Post #11 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 03-Jun-2016 19:03:23 GMT [720<--721]
thanks now I understand I wasn't familiar with the thru axle technology
I don't see a skewer on the real wheel axle
is an ex key used?
Post #12 of 170. Posted by Giulio Porta on 03-Jun-2016 23:15:15 GMT [721<--723]
Hi Giulio, no problem. And yes, a hex key is used in the rear.
Post #13 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 05-Jun-2016 03:34:54 GMT [723<--724]
is the front axle width 15 mm ?
I have trouble finding a through axle wheel set
lots of separate rear wheels what's a good brand name that will provide both wheels for them open?
Post #14 of 170. Posted by on 05-Jun-2016 11:55:30 GMT [0<--725]
Lots of options really. Which wheels were you looking at and we can help you figure out how to get them thru-axle specific or suggest a close alternative. Sometimes you have to look more at the MTB options of brands (ENVE for example), but also in road/cross/gravel there are options. I'm a bit partial to 3T and HED for obvious reasons, and the entire road wheel disc brake line from 3T is compatible with 15mm axles. So all Discus and Discus Plus wheels, alloy and carbon, and they are compatible right out of the box (end caps for 12mm and 15mm are included). The disc brake Ardennes from HED are also 15mm compatible, you just have to order the correct end caps. And there are many more.
Post #15 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 06-Jun-2016 12:44:01 GMT [725<--727]
Just wondering when the discusplus will be available in Canada? I want a set to complement my Open UP and run the beautiful WTB Horizons. 3T website says temporarily out of stock. Many Thanks
Post #65 of 170. Posted by Derek on 01-Sep-2016 11:40:45 GMT [727<--931]
Hi Derek, I think you're in the GTA? Best to check with Endurosport, they should be able to enquire for you. I know 3T is just rolling them out in the various countries.
Post #68 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 01-Sep-2016 18:48:23 GMT [931<--934]
Where can I test ride a medium sized frame in Texas? I live in Houston and would travel for a test ride. Very interested in your concept.
Post #16 of 170. Posted by on 08-Jun-2016 16:38:45 GMT [0<--731]
That's a good question. We have several stores that carry OPEN and the U.P. in Texas, but you'd have to call them to see what exactly they have in stock. Given the demand for the U.P. the stock levels fluctuate quickly and are usually quite low, so even if we know we shipped a store a Medium a few days ago, they may not have it anymore. So best to call and make sure they set it aside until you arrive.
Post #17 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 12-Jun-2016 13:26:12 GMT [731<--732]
Hej, I'm interested in an Open U.P. (as many here) but dealers are pretty rare yet. How can I find out the right size for the frame set. Don't want to spend the money into the wrong size. With 180cm and an inside leg of 86cm I'd chose an L (?) Appreciate your advice. Cheers ToM
Post #21 of 170. Posted by on 23-Jun-2016 17:14:38 GMT [0<--749]
Hi Tom, best to email me using the contact form at left. Send also any info you have about your current cross or road bikes (make, model, size) and then we'll figure it out together.
Post #50 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 03-Aug-2016 10:51:23 GMT [749<--841]
Hi Gerard - I'd like to use a Deore XT 11-40T Cassette w/ an Ultegra 6800 Long Cage Rear Mech. This, I understand, will require a Derailleur Optimizer. I'm thinking of using Wolf Tooth Components' RoadLink ...
this component work w/ the Open U.P. Rear Derailleur Hanger? Also, will it work w/ the 3T Exploro's Rear Derailleur Hanger? - Thanks, Jan.
Post #22 of 170. Posted by on 24-Jun-2016 08:15:52 GMT [0<--750]
Hi Jan, the RoadLink is a great tool and as far as I have seen it works on our derailleur hanger. Of course it's not "Shimano recommended" so I can't say if there is any situation in which it won't work, but I've only heard positive feedback on it.
Post #25 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 27-Jun-2016 08:13:58 GMT [750<--758]
Can we use the new hang loose hanger on the Open UP?
Post #66 of 170. Posted by Derek on 01-Sep-2016 12:16:11 GMT [758<--932]
No, virtually all frames on the market come with specific hangers to match the frame and this is no exception.
Post #69 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 01-Sep-2016 18:49:20 GMT [932<--935]
Since the frame uses a braze-on style front derailleur, what is the MINIMUM outer chainring size, assuming typical road front derailleurs? There are a growing number of "gravel"-targeted cranksets available with 46/30, 48/32, and even 44/28 ring combinations, that would one might want to combine with the UP.
Post #23 of 170. Posted by on 25-Jun-2016 14:18:07 GMT [0<--751]
All of those work on the U.P.
Post #24 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 27-Jun-2016 08:11:59 GMT [751<--757]
Do you have any recommendations on the "optimal" double ring configuration that would allow us to both keep up with (I really mean outrace ;P) our road-loving buddies while also being able to easily tackle the "shortcut" through the woods? I know it's generally a very personal thing, but I'd be interested to know what your thoughts are specifically on double ring setups for the U.P. A 46/30 with 11x32? 50/34 with 11x28?
Post #111 of 170. Posted by bryan on 22-Sep-2016 03:33:28 GMT [757<--982]
Could you tell us where these can be sourced please? I can't find these anywhere...
Post #117 of 170. Posted by Marshall on 25-Sep-2016 21:08:31 GMT [751<--992]
Please let us know where to find these "gravel"-targeted cranksets available with 46/30, 48/32, and even 44/28 ring combinations....
I can't find them anywhere!
Post #118 of 170. Posted by Marshall on 25-Sep-2016 21:26:54 GMT [751<--993]
KCNC, White Industries and for 2017 FSA. I use a KCNC 46/30 crankset on my road bike in combination with a campa record groupset. It works very good. I use this combination for climing in alps. I hope this helps.
Post #138 of 170. Posted by dip on 02-Oct-2016 04:26:40 GMT [993<--1015]
Does this frame have fender or rack mounting bosses?
Post #26 of 170. Posted by on 04-Jul-2016 01:08:48 GMT [0<--781]
No it does not. It works with clip-on fenders.
Post #27 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 05-Jul-2016 11:48:08 GMT [781<--784]
What version of the fork is it? Team Stealth?
Post #28 of 170. Posted by on 10-Jul-2016 12:47:35 GMT [0<--788]
And which type toptube case do you recommend? I see that the have several modell, but which size is the better one?
Post #29 of 170. Posted by Stian on 11-Jul-2016 18:44:22 GMT [788<--789]
It really depends. Right now most bags that use the toptube bolts are originally designed for triathlon, so they are on the small side. Great for tools, phone, some food, etc. Then if you want bigger, you can go with something like the Apidura or Revelate or similar, and those carry more but the set-up on the frame is not as clean as it is when using the bolts obviously. I do expect bigger bags that use the bolts to appear in the next few months.
Post #31 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 12-Jul-2016 11:21:54 GMT [789<--791]
It's a custom-painted version of the Luteus II, and not really stealth in orange!
Post #30 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 12-Jul-2016 11:16:44 GMT [788<--790]
I was wondering mostly because of the weight question. Lightweight is nice... ;-)
Post #35 of 170. Posted by Stian on 16-Jul-2016 18:26:53 GMT [790<--798]
OK, but the TEAM and TEAM stealth version weight about the same and so does ours at approx 550g before cutting the steerer.
Post #39 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 17-Jul-2016 23:10:15 GMT [798<--802]
I've been offered a used Open up with the following spec:
2016 Open cycles U.P gravel plus bike size XL.
SRAM force 1 X 11 hydro groupset with Rotor 3D chainset and Q ring 44T with 11/32 cassette.
Zipp service course 30 wheel set with matching service course seat post, stem and SL70 bars.
Selle Italia Ti railed saddle
What would be the standard price to pay for this set-up?
Post #32 of 170. Posted by on 13-Jul-2016 15:44:01 GMT [0<--793]
Hi Elie, we don't sell complete bikes, only the frameset (which is 2900 euro), so not sure how much all the rest would cost exactly.
Post #33 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 14-Jul-2016 21:01:55 GMT [793<--796]
Value = the price someone is prepared to pay, economics 101.
I know the bike you are referring to, if it was my size, I would have bought along time ago. It's a steal!
Post #61 of 170. Posted by Robin on 21-Aug-2016 10:11:49 GMT [793<--899]
Do you have dealers in England?
Post #34 of 170. Posted by on 16-Jul-2016 16:28:26 GMT [0<--797]
Yes we do, if you check on the "dealers" page (menu top right) you will see all their details.
Post #37 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 17-Jul-2016 23:07:30 GMT [797<--800]
I'm looking for a bike to replace my aging cannodale silk tour 700. Finally looks like some geormetries are emerging that may compete with its all terrain capability!
Is there anywhere I could test ride a bike in Melbourne Australia. The UP is definitely on my shortlist!
Post #36 of 170. Posted by on 17-Jul-2016 07:19:02 GMT [0<--799]
Best to ask our Australian distributor, they will know best which retailer has what in stock right now:
Post #38 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 17-Jul-2016 23:09:06 GMT [799<--801]
Hej, i m riding mine in Adelaide Size L.
Post #52 of 170. Posted by Martin on 04-Aug-2016 08:10:19 GMT [799<--845]
Very impressed about the bike. How do I become an authorized distributor in Russia? Thank you.
Post #40 of 170. Posted by on 19-Jul-2016 09:55:53 GMT [0<--807]
Best to contact Andy about and sales & distribution questions. You can use the CONTACT tab on the left of this page (or bottom in some mobile screens).
Post #46 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 21-Jul-2016 08:59:58 GMT [807<--816]
Looks like a great bike to downsize the road/cross/xc/ etc clutter. I don't seem to see any photos of the bike with road tires, just wondering how it looks (I know sounds shallow; but if i can get excited about it as a road bike between off road rides, it will be the ticket). Can you point me at any?

Also, any plans for an edition with stealth fender attachment points? I live in a rainy place, and all that great clearance... Think something like the Norco Theshold points.
Post #41 of 170. Posted by on 20-Jul-2016 13:09:12 GMT [0<--809]
Hi there, we don't have any photos of the bike with road tires but if you go the the SHOWCASE section in the top menu, you will find plenty of U.P.s as spec'd by our customers including some with road tires.
Post #42 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 20-Jul-2016 21:34:59 GMT [809<--811]
The only fender options contemplated for th U.P. are clip-on fenders.
Post #43 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 20-Jul-2016 21:35:47 GMT [809<--812]
Hi Gerard/Andy, I currently ride a Cervelo R5 56cm. Would like to pick get one of your U.P. rides. I think it will be my new daily ride. I may need to purchase via the web, so I am not sure what size I would need. Assuming a medium, but don't want to chance it, so asking the question. Thanks in advance for your help.
Post #44 of 170. Posted by on 20-Jul-2016 23:53:39 GMT [0<--813]
Best to shoot me a message via the CONTACT tab on the left of the screen.
Post #45 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 21-Jul-2016 08:58:33 GMT [813<--815]

I would like to use my SI SL Hollowgram crank on my up but I just have no idea of the length needed for the axle... Can you help me?
Post #47 of 170. Posted by coco86 on 25-Jul-2016 17:40:21 GMT [0<--822]
The BB386 uses an 86mm BB shell so the axle has to be able to go through. I do not think the Hollowgram crank works for that.
Post #48 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 26-Jul-2016 11:18:21 GMT [822<--823]
I have checked and custumiced 4 different axels but it was not necessary :o(. Maybe you have someone with a cnc machine to creat a perfect one.
Post #53 of 170. Posted by Martin on 04-Aug-2016 08:14:05 GMT [822<--846]
Yes, we do have people who machine their own axles for the Hologram, but that's obviously rare.
Post #54 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 07-Aug-2016 10:51:56 GMT [846<--853]
Hi, does the UP frame accept suspension forks? if so, what is the travel compatibility?
Post #49 of 170. Posted by Carlos on 02-Aug-2016 19:59:28 GMT [0<--840]
The UP frame is compatible with the Lauf Grit "gravel" suspension fork. Not with mountain bike suspension forks as those are much too long.
Post #51 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 03-Aug-2016 10:52:15 GMT [840<--842]
I ordered an UP these days and I am considering to add Dura Ace configuration.
One question concerning the bottom bracket: Will the Rotor BB 4224 BB30 be fine, or do you have another recommendation?

Cheers, Andreas
Post #55 of 170. Posted by on 14-Aug-2016 12:44:10 GMT [0<--868]
Hi Andreas, it all depends on the spacers you are going to use. The easiest is to get a dedicated BB set-up for Shimano cranks on BB386EVO, then you automatically have the right bearings AND spacers. Now, most of those bearings are the same on BB30 bottom brackets, but the cups are usually shorter (no big issue but not as nice) and you then need to figure out the shimming yourself (not ideal).
Post #56 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 17-Aug-2016 00:02:27 GMT [868<--873]
Is the frame weight of 1150g inclusive of the forks?
Post #57 of 170. Posted by on 18-Aug-2016 08:25:33 GMT [0<--876]
That's not including the fork.
Post #58 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 19-Aug-2016 10:01:22 GMT [876<--881]
is the front axle 15mm x 100mm or 15mm x 110mm??

Post #59 of 170. Posted by on 20-Aug-2016 13:08:03 GMT [0<--894]
For the U.P. it's 100x15mm. There isn't any BOOST for road/cross. That's on the mountainbike side, so for the ONE+ you could find BOOST forks that are 110x15. But to make it confusing, you can also fit a 100x15 fork on your ONE+ and plenty of 100x15 forks also fit 3" plus tires so there isn't that much reason to go to the 110mm width (in fact, even in the rear we went with Boost more for what it allows us to do with the crank than what it does with the hub).

Unless, to make it even more confusing, you're talking about the Lauf fork. That fork REALLY benefits from the 110mm width because of its design, so it gives you a 21% boost in lateral stiffness when going to the BOOST version. Just because of the geometric advantage. Hope that's clear.
Post #62 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 21-Aug-2016 17:46:12 GMT [894<--900]
Gerard, doesn't the Lauf Grit fork only come in 100mm hub spacing? Maybe you were referring to the Trail Racer series as having a Boost version, but that model does not fit your U.P.?
Post #74 of 170. Posted by Pete on 02-Sep-2016 19:26:38 GMT [900<--941]
The Grit only comes in 100mm, the Trail in 100 and 110 and it really benefits from the 110mm. I didn't say it fits in the UP, only that most front forks don't benefit that much from Boost but the Lauf does. Of course Boost is not really a topic for gravel/multi-surface bikes anyway, but the original question was about 100 vs. 110mm so hence the answer.
Post #76 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 03-Sep-2016 19:31:59 GMT [941<--943]
Hi, what makes this frame heavier than the one+ ?
Post #60 of 170. Posted by on 21-Aug-2016 06:28:16 GMT [0<--897]
Geometry (longer tubes, especially the seat tube) and load cases. This is often counter-intuitive to people, but a mountain bike has a lot of its peak impacts dulled by the tire size. An U.P. often has to withstand impacts while being run with a relatively small tire so it is not nearly as easy to make it as light. And then the orange paint is a little heavier than black too. Of course, the U.P. is also less expensive, especially when you take into account that it includes a fork and the ONE+ does not.
Post #63 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 21-Aug-2016 17:48:41 GMT [897<--901]
Where are the two frames made?
Post #64 of 170. Posted by Robin on 31-Aug-2016 18:17:53 GMT [901<--930]
Both of these frames are made in Asia.
Post #67 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 01-Sep-2016 18:46:55 GMT [930<--933]
Are you going to be represented at the U.K. Show in September ?
Post #73 of 170. Posted by Robin on 02-Sep-2016 03:48:11 GMT [933<--939]
Which SRAM 2x10 mtb derailleur (for a double with small inner ring) will fit the 2-bolt frame mount?
Post #70 of 170. Posted by on 01-Sep-2016 20:26:10 GMT [0<--936]
The U.P. doesn't have a 2-bolt frame mounted derailleur, the two bolts you see are to mount the derailleur mount, which is a standard road derailleur mount with a vertical slot. So it fits any road derailleur, SRAM, Shimano or Campy, but not an MTB front derailleur.
Post #71 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 01-Sep-2016 20:49:05 GMT [936<--937]
My goal is a 38/24 double up front. So a SRAM Red, Force, or Apex braze-on would work?

BTW thanks for the incredibly informative web site!
Post #72 of 170. Posted by Pete on 02-Sep-2016 00:25:57 GMT [937<--938]
Nope, that won't work. You can't fit a 24t ring, the chain would touch on the bottom side of the chain stay. Why do you need a 24t small ring? What cassette are you planning to use?
Post #75 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 03-Sep-2016 19:29:27 GMT [938<--942]
I'm in a mountainous area, so even the gravel roads can be hours of uphill, sometimes very steep. Thus I tend to lower gear ratios similar to MTB 29er. Cassette is 11-36, and do not wish to go 1x. Thanks!
Post #77 of 170. Posted by Pete on 04-Sep-2016 01:46:58 GMT [942<--944]
Why not just get a compact road chainset with a 34 inner and maybe a 46 outer,bwith a 11/36 cassette you should be ok
Post #78 of 170. Posted by Robin on 04-Sep-2016 07:01:38 GMT [944<--945]
I occasionally ride up "walls", very steep sections. My XC 29er bike has a 22t inner chainring x 36 in back.

So when you say a 24t inner chainring would touch the chainstay, would not that depend on the length of the derailleur cage? Would not a long-cage derailleur prevent that potential issue?

And if not in your opinion, then what would you say is the smallest possible inner chainring for this frame (asking as to double chainset, not 1x)?

You ask why I want to put a 40 or 38/24 double on this frame, I simply wish to have a very broad range of gearing that a 1x cannot offer.
Post #88 of 170. Posted by Pete on 07-Sep-2016 14:38:55 GMT [945<--955]
Hi Pete, as you say, the derailleur and chain length has an effect, so it is impossible to answer that question exactly. But the 24t is so far off that it definitely won't work. The frame is designed for road cranks, where 34t is the smallest. Those always work (unless somebody sets up their bike completely wrong of course, but let's not assume that). Going a bit smaller is also possible, but I wouldn't be able to say where the exact limit is. Keep in mind that if you change the cassette to have a 42t as smallest cog, that 24x36 is the same as 28x42 so that's already a lot closer to the intended territory of chainring. If that works or not, I am really not sure.
Post #95 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 08-Sep-2016 12:36:48 GMT [955<--962]
One last q on this if you what cog on the cassette is this chain contact issue at its worst? On the smallest (outer) cog, big (inner) cog, or somewhere in the middle of the cassette?
Post #96 of 170. Posted by Pete on 10-Sep-2016 01:23:31 GMT [962<--963]
It's so close to the chainring that the cog it's on doesn't really have a big effect.
Post #97 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 13-Sep-2016 08:59:52 GMT [963<--966]
Hi Gerard,
I'm very interested in the U.P., but not sure, if size "S" is good for me, or too large. Actually I drive a womens Specialized Amira with top tube length 491, stack 504 and reach 365.
Thank you for your advice
Post #79 of 170. Posted by on 05-Sep-2016 05:53:39 GMT [0<--946]
Hi Carola, thanks for the note, definitely the S will work well. A bit taller in the front but for a combined on-off-road position that is preferable for most people. And you probably don't ride in the lowest position possible now anyway, so with a taller front end you simply have fewer spacers.
Post #80 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 05-Sep-2016 19:14:44 GMT [946<--947]
Hi would you consider offering a frame without the top tube mounts? I really want this frame but those mounts spoil the beauty of it for me
Post #81 of 170. Posted by on 06-Sep-2016 15:36:43 GMT [0<--948]
Those mounts are damn useful tho
Post #87 of 170. Posted by Robin on 07-Sep-2016 07:12:42 GMT [948<--954]
In our photos, we show it will full allen bolts to make it clear they're there, but if you finish them with flat bolts it looks fine. We're not considering offering the frame without, that would not help our simplicity.
Post #89 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 07-Sep-2016 17:37:54 GMT [948<--956]
No plan to do that yet as we believe in the function of them. But if you use two round head flat screws then you can pimp your frame and make it look better
Post #159 of 170. Posted by Andy Kessler on 18-Oct-2016 07:08:47 GMT [948<--1068]
What a great innovative geometry! Thanks for the information on this page - very insightful and definitely has me reconsidering my next bike. Out of curiosity, what handlebar is that featured on the U.P pictured here?
Post #82 of 170. Posted by on 06-Sep-2016 16:26:15 GMT [0<--949]
The bar is a 3t Aeronova or Aerotundo
Post #83 of 170. Posted by Robin on 06-Sep-2016 19:06:45 GMT [949<--950]
Post #90 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 07-Sep-2016 17:39:00 GMT [950<--957]
Is there a rider weight limit for the frame? What is the total load rider+gear?
Post #84 of 170. Posted by on 06-Sep-2016 22:10:46 GMT [0<--951]
Post #91 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 07-Sep-2016 17:39:17 GMT [951<--958]
other colors available besides the orange?
Post #85 of 170. Posted by on 07-Sep-2016 02:25:28 GMT [0<--952]
Say in the spec brown or orange
Post #86 of 170. Posted by Robin on 07-Sep-2016 03:42:47 GMT [952<--953]
Thanks Robin!
Post #92 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 07-Sep-2016 17:39:32 GMT [953<--959]
Post #93 of 170. Posted by Robin on 08-Sep-2016 03:41:22 GMT [959<--960]
Guess emojis don't work :)
Post #94 of 170. Posted by Robin on 08-Sep-2016 03:42:27 GMT [960<--961]
Hi, I'm planning a u.p. build, which is kinda of bugging me at the moment as I wanted to mix shimano road and mtb components but because of the freehub body differences I don't think I can do what I want. Seems only SRAM offer a good solution.

Anyway seems best fit will x1 my question is, if I use a rotor 3D+ chainset with probably a 42 tooth ring the spec says flat rings are best, does this still apply to this chainset ? as I wanted to use a narrow wide ring.
Post #98 of 170. Posted by on 17-Sep-2016 14:21:50 GMT [0<--968]
Yes, a flat narrow-wide ring is best. "Flat" as opposed to "offset", so it doesn't relate to the narrow-wide. It just means that it puts the single ring where normally the outer ring would go, not offset to be on top of the center of the spider tabs. Hope that makes sense.
Post #102 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 20-Sep-2016 12:15:11 GMT [968<--973]
Yep that makes sense, just makes me think if I go for a double set up i'm not going to have a good chain line.
Post #105 of 170. Posted by Robin on 20-Sep-2016 14:52:19 GMT [973<--976]
It's fine if you set it up for a double with normal rings. But if you set it up for a double you obviously can't use narrow-wide rings, they won't shift.
Post #107 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 20-Sep-2016 23:16:09 GMT [976<--978]
Hi, I installed my Dura Ace DI2 shifters this weekend. I did not care about the cable guide in the bottom bracket area much. Now, that everything is fixed, I realized, that the cable guide is more or less loose: Is there any way to fix it without deinstalling the cranks once more?
thanks, Andreas
Post #99 of 170. Posted by on 18-Sep-2016 14:52:30 GMT [0<--969]
Hi Andreas, why is it loose? No cable tension?
Post #100 of 170. Posted by Robin on 19-Sep-2016 03:49:37 GMT [969<--970]
I actually did not use the cable guide, as with DI2 electric cable that is not really needed...
Post #101 of 170. Posted by Andreas on 19-Sep-2016 04:05:58 GMT [970<--971]
You can put an O-ring around the inside of the cable guide to fit it snuggly when you use Di2. You might be able to press it in from the outside depending on the O-ring, but definitely easier to pop it over from the inside.
Post #103 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 20-Sep-2016 12:16:22 GMT [969<--974]
Any suggestions on where to hide a di2 battery internally in the frame other than in the seatpost?
Post #104 of 170. Posted by on 20-Sep-2016 12:44:12 GMT [0<--975]
On my own U.P., the rather low-tech but very efficient solution is to wrap it in bubble wrap and stuff it at the bottom of the seat tube. Works perfectly.
Post #106 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 20-Sep-2016 23:15:18 GMT [975<--977]
Will you be adopting the new flat mount standard any time soon?
Post #108 of 170. Posted by on 21-Sep-2016 05:20:10 GMT [0<--979]
That's a tricky question, it really depends on the final decisions of the component makers. Some say they might make some brakes only in flat mount, we already know some only come in post mount (XTR for example, which I have installed on my UP), so we just need to see where it goes. However, for 90% of the builds it won't really make a difference as most brakes come in both versions.
Post #109 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 21-Sep-2016 11:33:31 GMT [979<--980]
Many thanks Gerard
Post #112 of 170. Posted by Tim on 22-Sep-2016 06:19:39 GMT [980<--983]
Love the concept and bike design - I am however disappointed in your size range, being 6' 6" - I currently ride a cross bike with a 614 mm ETT and ~430 mm of reach and run a 130 mm stem and a setback seatpost (which you believe is unnecessary) so I have a hard time believing that I will fit on a XL in your size range with ~30 mm less TT and reach and no setback.
Post #110 of 170. Posted by on 21-Sep-2016 21:19:00 GMT [0<--981]
If your current frame has a 430mm reach, then the U.P. won't fit. In combination with a 130mm stem that would be an enormous cockpit length and you'd be the first 6'6 rider who wouldn't fit, but I'll take your word for it. BTW, it's not that we believe setback seat posts are unnecessary, they are usually unnecessary with our frame design. They are usually required on most other frame designs (and sometimes on ours).
Post #115 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 22-Sep-2016 14:56:56 GMT [981<--986]
Hallo Gerard,

Ik vraag me af of de U.P. ook geschikt is voor strandraces? Fiets ziet er prachtig uit. Ik wil een strandfiets kopen die ik ook op de weg gebruik in de winter (tijdens slecht weer) i.p.v. mijn racefiets. Deze fiets zou alles samen brengen.
Post #113 of 170. Posted by on 22-Sep-2016 09:56:45 GMT [0<--984]
Natuurlijk, en dat gebeurt ook steeds meer nu er meer en meer banden in 650b beschikbaar komen die ook voor het strand geschikt zijn. Met als voordeel dat je dus op de weg gewoon 700c banden kunt gebruiken zonder dat het stuurgedrag van de fiets verandert. Dat is een voordeel over fietsen die 700c strandbanden gemonteerd hebben, waar de fiets toch heel anders stuurt dan je van de weg misschien gewend bent.
Post #114 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 22-Sep-2016 14:53:13 GMT [984<--985]
Just picked mine up pre-built with a Sram Force Cx-1 32-11 cassette (Q-rings single chain ring on front). Finding it too much for the steep climbs where I live. What is biggest ring cassette that could be fitted to the U.P? I am willing to change rear mech or anything else to get the widest gear range/biggest climbing ring possible...Thanks!
Post #116 of 170. Posted by Marshall on 25-Sep-2016 17:13:42 GMT [0<--990]
The Q-ring is the single ring QX1 44t model 110 BCD. Rotor 3Df cranks. Don't know what the BB is yet. Combined with the 32-11 cassette it's murder climbing the mountains in my area!
Perhaps a 48/32t double ring crankset combined with a 36-11 cassette at the back might be an ideal solution?
Does anyone know where to source a good quality 48/32t crankset to fit the BB386 EVO? Or if not, maybe a 46/30t?
Post #119 of 170. Posted by Marshall on 26-Sep-2016 10:08:50 GMT [990<--994]
Have you looked at the stuff from Sugino?
Post #120 of 170. Posted by bryan on 26-Sep-2016 11:38:32 GMT [994<--995]
Thanks, yes but only Shimano compatibility.? Possibly SRAM but 10 speed only?? Also very poor availability outside of Japan..
Post #121 of 170. Posted by Marshall on 26-Sep-2016 15:25:32 GMT [995<--996]
Seems FSA are listing this: SL-K MODULAR ADVENTURE BB386EVO here
can't find it anywhere for sale..!!
Post #122 of 170. Posted by Marshall on 26-Sep-2016 15:33:17 GMT [996<--997]
Correct URL !:
Post #123 of 170. Posted by Marshall on 26-Sep-2016 15:34:22 GMT [997<--998]
Sorry folks, don't understand why and can't seem to edit my previous posts, but for some reason this site is adding this: , to the end of the correct URL copied above.! The correct URL ends with :-
Post #124 of 170. Posted by Marshall on 26-Sep-2016 15:37:55 GMT [998<--999]
Smallest 110bcd ring you can get is 33tooth TA make that, otherwise 34 is gonna be the smallest try that with a 11/36 cassette or get a sram 10/42 cassette with maybe 40tooth single ring up front
Post #125 of 170. Posted by Robin on 26-Sep-2016 16:00:00 GMT [994<--1000]
Thanks! Willing to ditch the Q-ring/110 bcd to get the 46/30 or 48/32 up front though I reckon.....if I can find them that is!
Post #126 of 170. Posted by Marshall on 26-Sep-2016 16:10:42 GMT [1000<--1001]
So I finally called the FSA distributor in UK to ask for info on availability and was told they will not be available until next year. They were unable to say when next year!

Anyone else got any sources for the so-called '"gravel"-targeted cranksets available with 46/30, 48/32, etc combinations' ?
Post #127 of 170. Posted by Marshall on 27-Sep-2016 14:10:30 GMT [1001<--1002]
OK, how about staying 1x at front then, but fitting a 11-42 cassette at back instead? Possible with a long arm rear mech? What else would be required to do this?
Post #128 of 170. Posted by Marshall on 28-Sep-2016 04:42:28 GMT [1002<--1003]
Yep sram clutch long cage mech, with a narrow wide front chain ring, have a look on the sram website
Post #129 of 170. Posted by Robin on 28-Sep-2016 13:05:36 GMT [1003<--1004]
Thanks Robin! Yes, I've been on sram's site for a day it seems! Here's a question for you/Gerard/anyone else: can the SRAM mtb rear derailleurs be fitted to the U.P. to run the newest 12 speed SRAM cassettes?
If not, is there anything to stop you running the SRAM XG-1199 X-DOME 11 speed Cassette along with the XD Driver Body and SRAM Force 1 Long Cage Rear Derailleur for a tidy 10-42t 11 speed setup?
Post #130 of 170. Posted by Marshall on 28-Sep-2016 18:36:40 GMT [1004<--1005]
Hi Marshall, sorry for the delay, I was traveling for our fully project. There are a few things you can do:
1) Change your 44t ring to a 34t ring. That's what I have on my bike and obviously that makes a big difference, it reduces your gearing by 23%. Of course your small gear also reduces a bit but at that end, you may not miss it that much (I don't). You CANNOT change to a 33t ring as some suggested, since it's a single ring you need narrow-wide teeth to keep the chain on (or an ugly chain guide but I wouldn't do that) and narrow-wide per definition only comes in even tooth numbers (otherwise you'd have two narrows or two wides at some point).
2) Change the cassette to 11-36 (requires a long-cage Force 1 derailleur which you may or may not have already?).
3) Change the cassette body on your wheels to an xD driver (most hubs can do this easily) and then you can mount a SRAM 10-42 cassette (also requires the long cage derailleur). With that xD driver, you can even fit a 9-44 cassette from e13, Benefit of these cassettes is not only the bigger small gear, but also the smaller small gear so it would give you more top-end when running the 34t front ring (9-18% bigger gear).

Hope that helps, Gerard.
Post #131 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 28-Sep-2016 19:44:44 GMT [1005<--1007]
Hi Gerard, many thanks for your very comprehensive reply (it was worth waiting for!).
Well this all sounds most promising, especially the xd driver option married to the e13 9-44 cassette plus the small ring at the front. This is a combination I wasn't even aware of, and it absolutely enhances the range of gearing available at each limit as you say, which was exactly my concern. So the only thing I can think I am still unsure of now is will the long cage Force 1 derailleur work with the extended range 44 cog and 9 cog at each limit? Thanks again so much for your time and help :)
Post #132 of 170. Posted by Marshall on 28-Sep-2016 21:17:43 GMT [1007<--1008]
Yes, the e13 9-44 cassette will work with either the long range Force 1 derailleur or for Shimano lovers, with an XTR Di2 derailleur in combination with road shift/brake/levers.
Post #136 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 01-Oct-2016 22:00:35 GMT [1008<--1013]
Hey Gerard, just wanted to check back in to update on my U.P. After following your advice, I fitted the new e13 9-44 cassette plus the new long cage Force 1 and XD driver for the Zipp wheel/hub. Boom! Thanks to you I'm now running a Beast of a bike! So glad I followed this route and stayed with the single 44t Q-ring at the front. So clean and simple - exactly the point of this bike for me. And the range of gearing is simply awesome. All I can imagine ever needing. Thank you so much!
Post #164 of 170. Posted by Marshall on 24-Oct-2016 19:19:11 GMT [1013<--1107]
Hi Marshall, glad you like it! roll on.
Post #168 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 27-Oct-2016 17:22:33 GMT [1107<--1118]
BTW, if you haven't added your bike to the SHOWCASE yet at the top of the screen, I would really appreciate it if you would as that build is pretty interesting also for others to see.
Post #169 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 27-Oct-2016 17:24:30 GMT [1107<--1119]
I suggested the the 33 tooth as part of a double set up. Also 11/36 cassette is ok with medium cage CX1 mech
Post #133 of 170. Posted by Robin on 29-Sep-2016 14:45:18 GMT [1007<--1010]
Yes, not meant as a criticism, I wasn't sure what you meant but I just wanted to make sure people didn't take away the wrong idea from that. For sure you can fit a 33t as an inner ring on a double setup.
Post #137 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 01-Oct-2016 22:01:33 GMT [1010<--1014]
The rethought geometry is interesting. Regarding seat tube angle, for those of us who already use zero-offset posts for proper fore/aft saddle position relative to the BB, I am wondering if there will be fit issues. For example, my road bike (size 54) has conventional 73.5 deg seat tube angle and my saddle is positioned fairly far forward with zero-offset post. [I had a professional bike fitting.] A 72.5 degree seat tube would be about 10mm further back, I believe.
Post #134 of 170. Posted by David on 01-Oct-2016 20:14:19 GMT [0<--1011]
It's rarely an issue but of course, in the case people are already on the extreme, it would be. But of course the same is true on the other end, this bike does allow for an offset post so if somebody sits really far back, this accommodates that. But to be honest, both of those situations are very, very rare, saddle position doesn't vary that much in comparison to the adjustment that exists on most rails. Also, it depends a lot on the seatpost design. It's actually not about the offset that people normally measure (the center of the clamp), that's irrelevant. What matters is where the rear of the clamp is, so a narrow clamp gives you a lot of space to move forward on the rails.
Post #135 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 01-Oct-2016 21:58:06 GMT [1011<--1012]
Just recently purchased a medium Open U.P. One reason I picked this bike is its versatility and ability to handle 40MM tires. However, when I picked it up from the LBS, they put 36MM tires on it saying the 40MM tires were too close to the seat stay and they were concerned with rubbing on seat stay. From pictures on the website it looks like 40MM will fit, albeit close to the seat stay. Any problems putting 40MM tires on a medium frame?
Post #139 of 170. Posted by james on 02-Oct-2016 16:12:33 GMT [0<--1016]
Well, most tires aren't the size they say on the label, and rim width also has an effect, so it's hard to make general statements, but I've never seen a 40mm tire that gets anywhere near to the seat stays. I mean, you can see it on your own bike, the gape between the 36 mm tire and the seat stays will be WAY more than the 2mm that a 40 mm tire would add.
Post #140 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 03-Oct-2016 19:07:38 GMT [1016<--1017]
I read a cane creek headset is included, which model is it and does it include an expander?

Post #141 of 170. Posted by Robin on 04-Oct-2016 09:29:47 GMT [0<--1018]
The headset is the stainless steel version, the expander that you need is fork specific and included with the fork, not the headset (that one you can toss out).
Post #142 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 05-Oct-2016 19:31:46 GMT [1018<--1019]
Thanks !
Post #143 of 170. Posted by Robin on 06-Oct-2016 03:45:19 GMT [1019<--1020]
Hi dear, sameone in Italy sell this bike?

best regards
Post #144 of 170. Posted by Andrea on 07-Oct-2016 17:34:21 GMT [0<--1021]
Hi Andrea, Check the dealers section at top of page.
Post #145 of 170. Posted by Robin on 08-Oct-2016 10:45:01 GMT [1021<--1023]
Yes I saw that there is none in Italy :( this is no good!!!! How can I buy it?
Post #148 of 170. Posted by Andrea on 11-Oct-2016 05:58:41 GMT [1023<--1027]
Contact Andy via the web page contact on the left
Post #150 of 170. Posted by Robin on 11-Oct-2016 10:48:32 GMT [1027<--1029]
Hi Guys,

love the bike, but could you not have hidden the cable to front brake in the fork ? Rather than the less elegant looking attached to the fork.


Post #149 of 170. Posted by Dylan Amlot on 11-Oct-2016 08:03:12 GMT [0<--1028]
The fork is a 3t fork, I would think future versions of the fork would be internal routing
Post #151 of 170. Posted by Robin on 11-Oct-2016 10:50:10 GMT [1028<--1030]

I recently got an orange U.P. and it's great. Unfortunately, on two of the first rides I took it on, the chain dropped off the chainring when changing up and the chain ended up crunching the underside of the bottom bracket. It's only superficial--the orange coat is scored or flaked off, but it looks bad.

I'd like to touch up the damaged areas with the matching orange colour. Do you sell anything for that, or can you recommend where I could get something?

Post #152 of 170. Posted by Roger Leigh on 13-Oct-2016 11:14:49 GMT [0<--1041]
Hi Roger, the best matching can usually be found with touch up paint for car bodies. They have a lot of choice and you can match visually. Since every batch of orange for the frames can slightly differ and the paint also changes a bit over time, that's the best way to closely match. Hope that helps, Gerard.
Post #153 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 13-Oct-2016 12:44:44 GMT [1041<--1042]
Is it possible to buy the U.P. frameset unpainted? (I love the bike but orange and brown just aren't working for me) - would love to have it custom painted in a colour of my choice and having a 'bare' frame makes that process a bit cheaper.
Post #154 of 170. Posted by Frank on 14-Oct-2016 18:07:50 GMT [0<--1049]
We do some unpainted batches from time to time but they usually sell out before we even have them in the warehouse. Best to email Andy (Contact tab on the left of this page).
Post #155 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 14-Oct-2016 22:17:53 GMT [1049<--1051]

My dealer informed me that the unpainted frames will become available soon. Is there any sort of finish on these frames and can I ride them without painting on my own?
Post #165 of 170. Posted by goshan on 25-Oct-2016 18:17:14 GMT [1051<--1112]
Looks like most Open UPs are built with 140mm brake rotors. Is there sufficient space in the frame to install an adapter on the brakes to use 160mm rotors? If so, it looks like both the front and rear brake mounts are post mount so a "Disc Brake Adapter Post to Post +20mm" would be required?
Post #156 of 170. Posted by gravel rider on 17-Oct-2016 00:21:51 GMT [0<--1058]
No adapters needed, frame and fork fits 160mm rotors out the box.
Post #157 of 170. Posted by Robin on 17-Oct-2016 12:10:59 GMT [1058<--1059]
As Robin says, stock spacing is for 160mm rotors.
Post #158 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 17-Oct-2016 20:32:50 GMT [1058<--1062]
Has anyone put a dropper post on this? I was thinking of the KS LEV-272 and wondered if there is provision for cable routing. Some of the fire roads out here in Southern California are pretty steep and loose, and this would make things less "interesting".
Post #160 of 170. Posted by Michael on 19-Oct-2016 18:09:41 GMT [0<--1071]
Hi Michael, yes, I have. See here:
Post #161 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 20-Oct-2016 10:34:20 GMT [1071<--1074]
Is there a weight restriction on the frame?
Post #162 of 170. Posted by Elgar Vaivars on 23-Oct-2016 16:10:01 GMT [0<--1102]
Hi Elgar, no there is not. All our frames are designed without a limit
Post #163 of 170. Posted by Andy Kessler on 24-Oct-2016 11:29:38 GMT [0<--1105]
Anyone got any tips on setting up sram 1x?

I have never set up sram 1x but I have set up sram 2x plenty of times. i.e. chain off, cable not attached, set the limits, put on chain attach cable, voila it works perfect very rarely have to adjust the cable tension.

sarm 1x is a bit different ie. chain on and cable attached then adjust, I have followed the sram instructions also watched

I have to add quite a bit of cable tension to get the derailleur to directly line up under the 42t sprocket is this normal?

I have almost got it perfect but sometimes moving to the larger (more teeth) sprockets the derailleur is not quite far enough over, if I shift to the next largest and back down it's then ok. I have tried adding a bit more tension but the same thing happens again. I might just be crap at setting it up, but I have never had problems with 2x. I feel the cable maybe is pinched slightly, I have pulled the bike apart 3 times now trying to sort this, any input greatly appreciated.
Post #166 of 170. Posted by Robin on 27-Oct-2016 06:46:28 GMT [0<--1113]
Hi Robin, there is more chain tension on the 1x derailleur so in combination with the bigger cog than you're used to on 2x, this will mean you'll also find a bit more force is needed to shift it onto the biggest cog. I wouldn't expect any pinched cable, hard to see where that could happen for your rear derailleur. But it's equally hard to really set up a derailleur via the internet, I can't really see or feel what is going on.
Post #167 of 170. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 27-Oct-2016 17:02:54 GMT [1113<--1114]
Thanks for the input
Post #170 of 170. Posted by Robin on 27-Oct-2016 17:49:16 GMT [1114<--1120]
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