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U.P.P.E.R. detailed product information

Andy Kessler - 27-Feb-2017
Some of you might have followed our live stream session of today and would like to get more information about the U.P.P.E.R. For all of you and everybody interested in our new model, you can find detailed information here on the combined U.P. and U.P.P.E.R. product page.

As the video quality was not extremely good on the live stream here already one product shot. More to come in our March Bike Of The Month in a couple of days.

 

 

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Comments & Questions

OPEN
Wow! I am amazed, Andy! Is it already sold?
Looking forward to your Mail :-) Guess you are super-busy these days, eating delicious fondue!
Post #1 of 36. Posted by Felix on 27-Feb-2017 14:22:18 GMT in reply to blog [0<--1504]
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Hi Felix, have not forgotten about you and yes you are right its busy. You hear back from me next week after i have a delivery update from Shimano also.
Post #11 of 36. Posted by Andy Kessler on 28-Feb-2017 08:48:04 GMT in reply to post #1 [1504<--1517]
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OPEN
It's lovely.
Part of me wants to hate you for bringing this out about 9 months after I spent a fortune building my own black on black UP, with custom paint etc
Another part of me thinks I got it right with 15mm axle, 180/160 discs and Saint calipers
Either way, I think this is going to sell very well, chapeau and good luck with it.
Post #2 of 36. Posted by Geraint on 27-Feb-2017 15:31:56 GMT in reply to blog [0<--1505]
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OPEN
Love to see a pic of your black on black UP- anyplace I can see it?
Post #7 of 36. Posted by Sean on 28-Feb-2017 07:01:28 GMT in reply to post #2 [1505<--1512]
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OPEN
It's in the gallery here:
https://opencyc...raint
Post #8 of 36. Posted by Geraint on 28-Feb-2017 07:11:04 GMT in reply to post #7 [1512<--1514]
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OPEN
Hi Geraint, dont hate us to much as I am sure you will be very happy with your U.P. also. Its not that you have an outdated bike now as this frame will stay in line for a while. It shares most of the technologies and who knows maybe you still plan to UP-grade one day to an U.P.P.E.R but I am sure you will have plenty of good moments with your U.P.
Post #12 of 36. Posted by Andy Kessler on 28-Feb-2017 08:50:49 GMT in reply to post #2 [1505<--1518]
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Hi Andy, thanks for the reply! I don't really hate you, how could I when you make such brilliant bikes. I love my UP and have no plans to swap it. I actually prefer post mount, it gives a wider choice of brakes including Shimano MTB ones. Also, as a fan of Chris King I like the ISO hubs on a 1x build, and 15mm front TA means you can use matching ISO hubs rather than a R45 front. I just wish you'd made the UP in black, it would have saved me some time and money...
Post #14 of 36. Posted by Geraint on 28-Feb-2017 09:21:27 GMT in reply to post #12 [1518<--1520]
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Geraint, a nice upgrade for your beautiful bike might be the new Hope road calipers. If they ever come to be available.... All other parts from your setup look almost perfect, compliments on that!
Post #29 of 36. Posted by Michiel on 02-Mar-2017 10:29:55 GMT in reply to post #2 [1505<--1543]
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Thanks Michiel, glad you like it. No plans to change anything on the bike, I'm more than happy with the Saint calipers. Hope usually use DOT fluid which won't work with the Shimano levers.
Just read that the UPPER is €4500 so can't afford it anyway!
Post #30 of 36. Posted by Geraint on 02-Mar-2017 10:52:51 GMT in reply to post #29 [1543<--1544]
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OPEN
Same for me with the costs of the UPPER, I can't explain the Mrs that I need a new Open within 6 months costing a tiny bit more than my current one... ;-)
Hope makes these RX4 calipers for DOT or Mineral oil and Flat or Post mount, so for options!
You can find all information on hopetech.com and available in 6 colors to match your CK hubs?!?
Post #31 of 36. Posted by Michiel on 02-Mar-2017 13:42:44 GMT in reply to post #30 [1544<--1548]
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Thanks Michiel for the info on the Hope RX4s. I wasn't aware they did mineral oil versions, every day's a school day! I doubt I'll be swapping out my Saints on this bike, but the Hopes might be an option for another build... ;0)
Post #33 of 36. Posted by Geraint on 04-Mar-2017 04:46:44 GMT in reply to post #31 [1548<--1553]
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OPEN
This is a beautiful bike! So slick!!
Post #3 of 36. Posted by Rhonda Mckinney on 27-Feb-2017 15:44:51 GMT in reply to blog [0<--1506]
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OPEN
Nice bike,bravo!
Post #4 of 36. Posted by andrej on 28-Feb-2017 00:44:25 GMT in reply to blog [0<--1509]
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Thanks for the wonderful Crossfondue! Was great riding with you all. Next time I am there on my new UPPER.
Post #5 of 36. Posted by Matisse Etienne on 28-Feb-2017 02:39:51 GMT in reply to blog [0<--1510]
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Dear Matisse, can wait to have you with us one more time. Enjoy skiing finally you should have gotten some snow also. Here at least we have it now. Temperature 20 degrees lower then we we had our ride 2 days ago....
Post #13 of 36. Posted by Andy Kessler on 28-Feb-2017 08:52:14 GMT in reply to post #5 [1510<--1519]
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Upper should be great to use as both a gravel and road bike, just changing wheels/ tires.
I would really love to have this offer if i had no bike at all. Upper should probably fill my needs.
However, since i ride Grit and am pretty used to it now, i would wish something here.
For a true full blown lift over UP (+Grit), i would like to see a fork which could take over for Grit (but much lighter).
Grit would simply be a kill blow to any ligh weight agenda.
Thing is, if you ride a stiff fork and then ride with Grit a few months, well, try going back to that stiff fork and you'll see.
Grit surely make me see what the resonable inventions should be about if we talk gravel bikes.
For now, we argue about low pressure and wider tires. This is not competing with suspension.
I would surely like to see lamella constuctions or carbon leaf springs for light stiff suspension.
Traction increase and fatigue would be lowered.
What can you do Mr Vroomen?
Post #6 of 36. Posted by wheels on 28-Feb-2017 06:01:44 GMT in reply to blog [0<--1511]
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to be honest I never miss suspension. When I ride my UP with 2.1" tires or even with simple 1.9" Horizon tires, it is so comfortable as long as it's set up properly, it's all I want.
Post #18 of 36. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 28-Feb-2017 17:35:32 GMT in reply to post #6 [1511<--1532]
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How much lighter is this new frame/fork (in comparison to the U.P.)? How much do you save when you use the other discs?

For me the "old" 3T Luteus fork Looks much nicer (personal taste)
Post #9 of 36. Posted by Itsme85 on 28-Feb-2017 07:12:06 GMT in reply to blog [0<--1515]
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All this is showed here. Medium Up 1100g, UPper 870g.
Luteus II is 550g, New UPper is 375g.
Post #10 of 36. Posted by wheels on 28-Feb-2017 07:29:25 GMT in reply to post #9 [1515<--1516]
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This is not really a fair comparison, the 550g for the Luteus is including the thru-axle. The U-turn is 403g with the thru-axle.
Post #19 of 36. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 28-Feb-2017 17:36:39 GMT in reply to post #10 [1516<--1533]
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Ah, thanks for clearing that out!
However, Grit is a like twice of the U-turn.
Oh, if you rode Grit for a few months i wonder if you'd change your mind.
I ride mine now, with 27.5*2.00 + grip studs on ice and snow.
Couldn't imagine riding without it.
Post #21 of 36. Posted by wheels on 28-Feb-2017 18:53:28 GMT in reply to post #19 [1533<--1535]
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Hi Geraint, happy to hear. Happy trails and lots of adventures on your U.P.
Post #15 of 36. Posted by Andy Kessler on 28-Feb-2017 10:37:20 GMT in reply to blog [0<--1521]
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AAAARGH ! I'm hoping to get my U.P. very soon to to replace the POS Cannondale Slate i bought. But matte black ? Really ? That look is so completely outdated. I would think about the extra $1500, but never for that color - or lack thereof. Bring us something bright !!!
Post #16 of 36. Posted by Big Dan on 28-Feb-2017 12:57:43 GMT in reply to blog [0<--1525]
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To each their own. I'm not a huge black fan, but so far the orders tell a different story. Anyway, just like the U.P., the U.P.P.E.R. will be available as RTP (Ready-to-paint) so you can have it painted in any color and scheme you want.
Post #17 of 36. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 28-Feb-2017 17:29:47 GMT in reply to post #16 [1525<--1528]
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Right on. It is what I was looking for.
I don't need a new bike, but who am I to argue with the basic principle behind N+1.
Post #20 of 36. Posted by George on 28-Feb-2017 18:06:30 GMT in reply to blog [0<--1534]
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The UPPER can be a good N-1 bike as well, buy one, sell two.
Post #24 of 36. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 01-Mar-2017 11:32:16 GMT in reply to post #20 [1534<--1538]
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I want to build a sub 6 kilo U.P.P.E.R
Post #22 of 36. Posted by CW on 01-Mar-2017 06:27:43 GMT in reply to blog [0<--1536]
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That will be great. Look forward to seeing it in the SHOWCASE!
Post #23 of 36. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 01-Mar-2017 11:31:28 GMT in reply to post #22 [1536<--1537]
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OPEN
Is that even possible? I might be interested in that haha.
Post #25 of 36. Posted by Ben on 01-Mar-2017 14:07:14 GMT in reply to post #23 [1537<--1539]
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For sure it's possible. Of course a big influence on the final weight is in the tires, it'd be tough with 2.1" mountain bike tires.
Post #26 of 36. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 01-Mar-2017 14:21:32 GMT in reply to post #25 [1539<--1540]
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I will try my best. My 7.6kg Open One+ https://opencyc...by-cw
Post #27 of 36. Posted by CW on 02-Mar-2017 07:44:55 GMT in reply to post #25 [1539<--1541]
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Will the UPPER fork also be available separately as an upgrade for my UP and if possible in UP Brown? I like the looks and technical changes like flat mount and 12 mm tru axle with a bolt instead of the not so nice QR from 3T...
Post #28 of 36. Posted by Michiel on 02-Mar-2017 10:27:30 GMT in reply to blog [0<--1542]
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Yes, when we have production levels up, we will offer it separately and Andy and I discussed doing a batch in orange and brown for those interested. So just subscribe to the UPDATES and we'll write there when it's time to order yours.
Post #32 of 36. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 02-Mar-2017 15:32:05 GMT in reply to post #28 [1542<--1550]
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I'm sure you've written elsewhere that you didn't like 12mm or flat mount, Gerard? Why the change of tack?
Post #34 of 36. Posted by Geraint on 04-Mar-2017 04:48:16 GMT in reply to post #32 [1550<--1554]
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Yes and no. I don't like new standards when they aren't really necessary. Post-mount works fine, so why do we need flat-mount? We don't. I think it's quite a cynical way to screw over consumers. But I can't singlehandedly stop the introduction of flat-mount, so when it is there and when for example Shimano makes the new DuraAce only with flat-mount brakes, Andy and I need to make an assessment how we deal with that. So then we have 3 options in this case:
1) Start our own drivetrain company (that sounds like a lot of work for a 2-man company)
2) Make our superlight frame with post-mount and force people to use an adapter (which then makes the complete system not so superlight)
3) Make the superlight frame with flat-mount.

If there were real technical issues with the flat-mount, we'd stick with post-mount, but in the end it's more a lateral move. Not better, not worse, just different (which is also why I was unhappy they "invented" it to begin with).

For the thru-axle, it's a similar story. 15 mm already existed and worked fine. It meant all road and mtb wheels would be inter-changeable, etc. Changing to 12 mm saves a few grams, but it doesn't outweigh that compatibility advantage in my view. But again, the industry moves towards 12 mm, it is now the standard for road disc bikes and so again Andy and I had to decide where to go. The difference in stiffness and all other technical considerations are negligible, it's another lateral move.
Post #35 of 36. Posted by Gerard Vroomen on 04-Mar-2017 05:02:17 GMT in reply to post #34 [1554<--1556]
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Wow, thank you Gerard for such a comprehensive reply, and for a whole update on it! :0)
I'm also pretty fed up with new standards for the sake of it, and also being left with the choice of use the latest or find myself in a dead end, and I'm not even designing frames. I don't envy your task! Thanks again.
Post #36 of 36. Posted by Geraint on 04-Mar-2017 05:37:25 GMT in reply to post #35 [1556<--1560]
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